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Jonathan Senior Member Joined: 08 Sep 2009 No. of posts: 68 View other posts by Jonathan	Posted: 13 Sep 2009 This little fella was basking right in the centre of a tin today. Despite getting really close with the camera and taking umpteen pictures of him, he refused to move. He was very alert. Half an hour later I walked past again and he was still there, following my movements with his head. Loads of corvids about so I ushered him into the undergrowth. On the way home an hour later, he was back . I wish him luck. "England Expects"

dave fixx Senior Member Joined: 13 Mar 2007 No. of posts: 319 View other posts by dave fixx	Posted: 13 Sep 2009 Hi Jonathan, Nice pic ,some snakes just wont be told ,good luck to him from me also. Dave Williams davewilliamsphotography.co.uk

herpetologic2 Senior Member Joined: 15 Jun 2004 No. of posts: 1369 View other posts by herpetologic2	Posted: 13 Sep 2009 I suspect that 'she' is dicing with death lol Jon Vice Chair of ARG UK - self employed consultant - visit ARG UK & Alresford Wildlife

Jonathan Senior Member Joined: 08 Sep 2009 No. of posts: 68 View other posts by Jonathan	Posted: 13 Sep 2009 [QUOTE=herpetologic2]I suspect that 'she' is dicing with death lol Jon[/QUOTE] I didn't want to make that assumption as the attitude and cavalier approach to life was very bloke-like , plus chivalry is not dead and I'd have to wait till sundown, hook in hand to protect her. I will check up on the area tomorrow and hopefully report feminine wiles rein supreme . "England Expects"

armata Forum Specialist Joined: 05 Apr 2006 No. of posts: 928 View other posts by armata	Posted: 14 Sep 2009 Looks like a juvenile male to me. 'I get my kicks on Route 62'

herpetologic2 Senior Member Joined: 15 Jun 2004 No. of posts: 1369 View other posts by herpetologic2	Posted: 15 Sep 2009 Just looking at neonates colouration recently I have noticed that there has been clear differences in the zig zag - I just wondered whether this and the rostral scale edges can suggest the sex at such a young age. I remember you suggesting that counting the sub caudal scales would be useful So possibly a female or is there something that you are seeing Tony? J Vice Chair of ARG UK - self employed consultant - visit ARG UK & Alresford Wildlife

armata Forum Specialist Joined: 05 Apr 2006 No. of posts: 928 View other posts by armata	Posted: 15 Sep 2009 Well, the way the tail tapers, females more abrupt. Also bold lateral markings. If you put post shed male and female neos under good light you can see 'greyish brownish' difference. Also the way my brain is programmed at my age 'I get my kicks on Route 62'

Jonathan Senior Member Joined: 08 Sep 2009 No. of posts: 68 View other posts by Jonathan	Posted: 15 Sep 2009 Well he/she was back there again this morning. I'll get some better pics next time I go. Don't really want to pick it up to make a positive ID as I hate picking neos up. "England Expects"

Vicar Senior Member Joined: 02 Sep 2004 No. of posts: 1181 View other posts by Vicar	Posted: 20 Sep 2009 Pretty sure it's a male. The spots along the side are very well defined, more than I would expect in a female. Steve Langham - Chairman Surrey Amphibian & Reptile Group (SARG).

AGILIS Senior Member Joined: 27 Feb 2007 No. of posts: 694 View other posts by AGILIS	Posted: 20 Sep 2009 MIGHT BE A YOUNG HERMATHRODITE HAHA LOCAL ICYNICAL CELTIC ECO WARRIOR AND FAILED DRUID

Jonathan Senior Member Joined: 08 Sep 2009 No. of posts: 68 View other posts by Jonathan	Posted: 20 Sep 2009 He is always there. I've seen him three times this week. I lay on the grass with my chin resting in my hands to get in close and have a good look, his head whipped around really quick to see whats going on, few tongue flicks and he's back in position. He has no fear at all. There are a couple more basking nearby on top of some spagnum moss, and they are deffo female without question. They were also off in aflash when my shadow passed over them. Anyway, back to braveheart, his tail is really long, so I go with Tony and co on the male theory. When I put him back on his tin, he just coiled around himself and went back to loafing again. He's an idiot!! "England Expects"

Vicar Senior Member Joined: 02 Sep 2004 No. of posts: 1181 View other posts by Vicar	Posted: 20 Sep 2009 [QUOTE=Jonathan]He's an idiot!! [/QUOTE] Must be a bloke then! Steve Langham - Chairman Surrey Amphibian & Reptile Group (SARG).

GemmaJF Admin Group Joined: 25 Jan 2003 No. of posts: 2090 View other posts by GemmaJF	Posted: 21 Sep 2009 lol, I've seen this sort of behaviour from neos before, totally fearless, I think they get a guide when they are born that tells them, 'Hey you are venomous, don't fear anything'. Once they get to be a little older they figure out being venomous isn't the only important thing in life Gemma Fairchild, Independent Ecological Consultant

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